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Emails to the MCB on issues and concerns
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24/01/2005
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| As a Christian I would like to applaud your statement that Holocaust day should become a day for remembering all victims of genocide and oppression.
I am sure there are many like me who are not comfortable about the present arrangement which simply focuses on Jewish victims and ignores the many other victims during the second world war and since.
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| 24/01/2005 |
| Mark Israel |
Dear MCB
The Jewish Nation numbers today around 12-14 million people, If it was
not for the Nazi attempt to exterminate the Jewish people their numbers
today would be in the region of 40-45 million, The fact that half of the
Jews alive during the Nazi period were exterminated is the reason why
Jews treat this subject so sensitive and rightly so.
The holocaust was a unique tragic event in history and has never been
equalled or thankfully repeated to the extent where an organised group
of people tried and nearly succeeded to exterminate a whole nation of
people in such a way and using such methods that were specially invented
to carry out such a disgusting task.
This was not the first such tragedy to befall the Jewish people and even
if the Holocaust had not taken place there have been many similar
situations that could be described as Genocide or ethnic cleansing
against them and I would like to know of any other people in History
where so many attempts to wipe them out have occurred.
As Muslims you should be more sensitive to your brother Jews as they are
like it or not the direct decedents and share the same blood as Abraham,
Isaac, Moses and Jesus, I would expect Europeans to hold your attitudes
as they were the main perpetrators through out History.
The Holocaust is so unique it deserves the recognition of Muslims and
others as a Jewish Tragedy. not only to ensure the world never forgets
but also remember the victims which have no grave, no name, or memory,
are forgotten, We need this time ourselves, for our own healing, as it
is too fresh in our minds, there are many Jews alive today who where
there and still coming to term with what happened to them both
physically and mentally.
There can be many other occasions where all victims of genocide can be
remembered and we Jews would stand head to head with our fellow human
beings to show solidarity and unity to prevent such terrible things
being done again to us or others and to pay respect to all the victims.
The current events in Israel and Palestine look promising for both
peoples and I am sure we all share the aspirations for peace and
coexistence, we need to be as united in peace, as we were divided in war, Not use tragic events in our
history that are sacred to further political propaganda.
Israeli Jews are not committing or have committed genocide on Muslims or
Arabs, people from both sides are tragic victims of the conflict, not
singled out for their Creed and ethnic identity, Israeli Arabs who are
around 18% of the population are mostly Muslim and some even serve in
the Israel Army, Israel is the size of Wales with 6 million citizens, We
have a free society even with the problems facing it each day, Israeli
Jewish doctors and rescue units from the Israeli Army have been active
in giving aid to Muslims in Bosnia, Turkey and most recently South East
Asia, This is fact and not propaganda.
Also Jews like the Palestinian Arabs have also been displaced and
dispossessed from Lands where we lived for Hundreds and in some cases
thousands of years, from Morocco to Iraq and from Egypt to the Sudan,
There are today Millions of Jews who like the Palestinians are no longer
living within the lands they were born in. They have been settled within
Israel and absorbed within the Jewish state unlike the Palestinians who
are still in camps and forgotten by the rest of the Arab world who
merely use their plight to further their selfish goals.
The Palestinian Arabs who remain in Israel are still in the same
Villages and towns their ancestors lived and are free citizens,appart
from a few restrictions due to the current state of war between Israel
and it's neighbours, this is a security issue not a racialist one and
would revert to normal if and when Israel's neighbours make peace. There
is a real attempt by some to make the Jews in Israel look anti Muslim
and violent towards anything Arab or Muslim , this is not true and is
more the other way round as Arabs live along fine with Jews in Israel
but not in Arab countries where no Jewish communities survive today.
We can go on to defend all accusations against us and come out with a
clear conscience, we do not dish out propaganda concerning the Muslim
genocide of the Armenians, The grand Mufti of Jerusalem and his friend
Hitler and the way Jews were forced to flee Arab countries and lost
everything in the process, We look forward, we want to make a peaceful
future for ourselves and our children and sure you all share this, so I
ask with the same heart we showed the Muslims victims that we were
willing and able to assist in their hour of need that you Muslims give
us the right to mourn our dead and heal our wounds and try to understand
what the holocaust means to us as a people and dishonour our beloved
dead who we still mourn and miss greatly, especially the 1,500,000 children!
if you can understand our feelings, we are that step closer to peace.
Salaam al lehem, shalom al lechem
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| 24/01/2005 |
| David Goldman
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To the *Muslim Council of Britain:*
Dear Sirs: As an Orthodox Anti-Zionist Jew I am appalled at the way
people are falling all over themselves to pander to the Zionist Agenda
in relation to Jewish suffering. It truly makes me sick the way leaders
do not utter a peep at the crimes against humanity that the Zionists
(may their names be obliterated) are committing against the Palestinians.
*_The Holocaust Industry has one purpose and one purpose only: to
provide an ongoing blank check for the agenda of Zionism,_* virtually
demanding that the Palestinians and the rest of mankind pay the price
for what the Holocaust Industry says happened in Europe.
Please take a look at the websites of anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews, which
you will find most interesting:
www.nkuk.org ,
www.jewagainstzionism.com,
www.jewsnotzionists.org.
Yours truly,
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| 25/01/2005 |
| Dale Launer
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I'm glad I went to your site - reading the comments you have made - out
of context - made you appear pretty nasty.
Still, I have to try to appeal to your most rational side.
To compare the rounding up of Jews in Germany, their harsh
incarceration, torture, humiliation, starvation and mass execution -
with the deaths of Muslims in Palestine just isn't right.
Neither Israel nor Palestine can claim any moral high ground in this
ongoing conflict. To suggest that Israel is committing genocide is
ridiculous.
If they were to round up Palestinians off the street, haul them off in
carts - and execute them - you'd have a point. But that isn't what is
happening, is it?
Israel is guilty of something far less insidious - which is to have a
careless disregard for collateral damage when seeking revenge. That
is altogether different. A crime, yes, but when you try to pump up the
guilt, and make some kind of moral equivalency, you appear to be foolish
and irrational. That isn't about justice or truth, and if it isn't
then you make your position look dishonest. If you could learn to
identify, understand, and call a spade a spade, you'd stay ahead of the
game. Don't exaggerate - that is a stretching of the truth and that
will only prolong the misery we see now.
Thanks,
Peace,
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| 25/01/2005 |
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Greetings from the United States.
I read your statement relating to Holocaust Memorial Day.
As one who has advocated the inclusion of everyone in all ways possible
for many years, I fully appreciate and support your vision of a
"Genocide Memorial Day."
Let us hope that it becomes a reality in the United Kingdom...and this
extraordinary idea spreads throughout our world.
Good luck.
Ed Rosenberg
Cape May Court House, New Jersey
USA
www.everyoneisincluded.us
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| 26/01/2005 |
| Dan Chambers
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As an American who is appalled by what my country has become, you have
my sincere apologies. Respectfully, Dan Chambers
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| 26/01/2005 |
| Adrian |
| The statement issued by the MCB regarding "Holocaust Memorial Day" would
come across as being far more sincere in both claiming to stand "together
with our fellow British Jews" and suggesting the "best living memorial for the
victims of the Nazi Holocaust is trying to ensure that we make the cry ‘Never
Again’ real for all people who suffer, everywhere," if it contained something
quite specific in acknowledgement of what "the Nazi Holocaust" was for Jews
(rather than making the vaguest of references). Not merely a "truly evil and
abhorrent crime" (which is pretty nebulous), but "the organised, state-
implemented policy of deliberate, wholesale, physical extermination through
a campaign of collective, mass homicide of all Jews (as defined by the Nazis)
within reach of the Nazi state, accounting for approximately six million Jewish
lives". A formulation like that.
I don't think the thinly veiled references to the Palestinian cause need to be
removed. It is a cause close to the MCB’s hearts (and many other people’s),
and that's fine, well and good. I understand that. And it is entirely up to you
whether you want to participate in any commemoration in any way, on
whatever issue. As it is though, this comes across as nothing other than an
attempt to whitewash history (perhaps inconvenient history, from your own
point of view), and offend and stigmatise Jews, because there is clearly no
acknowledgement.
If the MCB wants to improve relations between Jews and Muslims, or between
anyone, then one has to recognise at least some overwhelming ontological
realities. It is no good attempting to implant in people’s minds the
suggestion that the Nazi extermination of Jews was not substantially different
to any other act of state oppression, 'impoverishment', 'group punishment',
or 'dispossession'. Jews under Nazi rule in 1941- to 1945 were subjected to
different policies/injustices to Jews living under Tsarist rule in the nineteenth
century. One can no more attempt to whitewash the Jews' past in this area,
than an Israeli Jew (or anyone) could expect Palestinians, for the sake of
peace, to pretend that Haifa and Jaffa never had an Arab population, and to
put such talk down instead to “PLO propaganda” in order “to justify attacks
on Israel”.
I'm not personally convinced this country should have a "Holocaust Memorial
Day". I might be more open to the MCB's arguments if these could be put
forward in a way which paid some respect to history and the British Jews the
MCB claims to stand shoulder to shoulder with.
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| 26/01/2005 |
| E. English |
Sir
I understand that your organisation of British Moslems will not be
attending the Commemoration of the liberation of Auschwitz this week.
I believe that this is an ideal opportunity for Moslems to show repentance for their part in the Holocaust. For example the friendship of The Mufti of Jerusalem with Hitler and his part in the development of the final solution expressed during his tour of Auschwitz. Also the atrocities committed by the Hanzar Division at the Jasenovar Camp in the Balkans.Please give this episode of Islamic history your careful thought and prayer.
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For further information please contact the MCB:
The Muslim Council of Britain
PO Box 52
Wembley
HA9 0XW
Tel: 020 8903 9650
Fax: 020 8903 9026
admin@mcb.org.uk
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